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July 26, 2005
how quickly pity leads to love
The temperature finally broke in a very dramatic storm last night and sleeping was a relaxing experience once again. This morning felt like early autumn, is was wonderful.
So I was having a conversation with Dan last night about what constitutes a date. I leave this open for discussion. If two men, of a bachelor persuasion, who do not have an established friendship make plans to have dinner with each other, not a group experience, is that a date? Or is it two guys hanging out? I am a firm believer (heehee firm) that gay men can have real non-sexual friendships with each other. God knows I am grateful that most of my friendship are non-sexual(although there are a couple that I wouldn't mind, you know), so I know it is possible.
Well I ramble, what do you think.
Speaking of thinking, I think that the show Medium, with Paticia Arquette is a piece of crap and am amazed that ANY of the Arquette family actually is paid to act.
Posted by JimG at July 26, 2005 08:35 AM
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In regards to the continued acting jobs given to the Arquette family: Never underestimate a pact with the devil...
Eventually, all the Arquettes will fade just as other family pacts with the devil have (see: Bateman, Baldwin, Quaid, Sheen/Esteves, etc.)
Posted by: Chris at July 26, 2005 10:51 AM
Hi Jim-my brother was in the movie Ethan Frome with Patricia Arquette. She is a major mumbler.
Posted by: Chris at July 26, 2005 11:06 AM
What's a date? Not familiar with that term.
But seriously, I have many friendships with gay men which are not sexual in nature. damnit.
Posted by: Dave / higher powered at July 26, 2005 11:17 AM
A devil story...
Jim and I were out dancing one evening at a very large club in boston when I saw him looking out over the crowd. He turned to me and said "When I picture the devil I see a tanned muscular man with a goatee writhing and sweating." Now look out in the crowd. When I did, I saw that most of the men on the dance floor fit this discription. Jim, not missing a beat, said "hell is a goddamn gay bar!" I would have to agree!
Posted by: Jeffrey at July 26, 2005 12:47 PM
Hmm...if I was on a date every time I hung out with single gay men that I do not have a pre-established non-sexual relationship with (geez say that 5 times fast) I'd be going out on many more dates that I give myself credit for. In fact, I'd actually be going out on dates! Woo Hoo!
Umm, on second thought...I'm probably not the one that you want giving you advice on what a date is. Isn't 'date' a 4 letter word anyhow?
Posted by: Joel at July 26, 2005 11:40 PM
hmmm. A date. I think we all know when there is an attraction between us. I also believe that we know when we WISH there was an attraction - lol . I dont want to make it difficult any more. I usually make it clear. "I find you attractive and would like to get to know you better. How about a date sometime?" And then everyone knows where they stand or if lucky, lay..or is it lie? regardless it leads to fun. :)
Posted by: Cisco at July 27, 2005 07:29 AM
LOL re: Jeffrey's comment!!!
When I was in school my two best gay friends were also best gay friends with each other. One was Jewish, the other was German. Non-sexual friendship at its finest.
In the "undefined" hanging out phase, you don't really know if it's a date or not. You've got to wait a few weeks to see if "that night" (where you're both drunk/tired and end up in bed together) happens. If "that night" happens and keeps happening, then everything previous was a date. If it doesn't happen, then it was just hanging out.
Posted by: Karen at July 28, 2005 10:56 AM